Drinks & Discourse

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Carl
All right. Welcome back to Drinks Discourse. My name is Carl. And here we're going to talk with local people of Dubuque and see what's going on and see how certain guests are helping this community outgrow to be better because it's an awesome city Today. I have a good friend of mine that I met at Seven Hills on a random bartending Christmas shift.

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Carl
I have Jason Hinkle of Cedar Rapids in Cedar Rapids. Jesus, Jason. How are you doing today, bud? I'm doing very well.

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Jason
Yeah. Doing so well. Thanks for being here. Aw, thanks for having me here.

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Carl
I appreciate you being out here. So, yeah, the first time I met Jason was at a Christmas party here for Seven Hills. I just started. I was like, two weeks fresh, and I was like, I'm going to bartend. And you were here, and I didn't know you, but we kind of made it work. And that's how it's been.

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Jason
Heavy karaoke at that Christmas.

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Carl
Yes, it was. It was beer pong and karaoke. It was.

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Jason
Very incredible. The staff here is very talented, right?

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Carl
Yeah. So and then in the pandemic happen. And then I started working in the room lounge. And that's where you were actually working one night a week there because you used.

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Jason
To work over there every Tuesday for 12 years.

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Carl
Just Tuesdays or only.

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Jason
Tuesdays. I started out doing three days a week, but I think I did that for two years. That was like my side hustle. Yeah, I wanted this is a whole other story, but I wanted to develop some financial freedom. Sure, I thought income property was the way to do it. So every dollar I made and tips went toward a down payment on some pieces of income property that I have now.

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Jason
So sure.

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Carl
That's awesome. Yeah. Because when you quit, I will say I'll going to be honest, there's some of your regulars that stop coming in because Jason.

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Jason
Tuesdays were great and it was the same people every week.

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Carl
Yeah, and I still like working two six is fine, you know, trivia and whatnot, but some people stop coming because it wasn't you anymore. But I was like, Sorry about. No, it's like you were like, Well, Jason, let me do this. I'm like, Whoa, I'm not Jason So because I don't know, because the biggest thing was I would ask for the credit cards.

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Carl
That's that was the protocol. But you actually knew these same people. I am like, I don't know you.

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Jason
I never once took a card.

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Carl
From and yeah, I mean.

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Jason
Because I get to know them and they always came back once I got to know. All right.

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Carl
Sorry, I'm not mad at you for it. People are saying, like, you can be.

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Jason
Mad at me.

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Carl
It's okay. I can never remember.

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Jason
It is really hard on all my coworkers there because I let the customers fucking run that place. I really. I work there one day a week. I really think it.

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Carl
Was always I would love coming on Tuesday, later at night, you know, you had that place. I love.

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Jason
That too. I loved it when you would come in later. It was so much fucking fun. I always learn stuff from you. We always shared good stories, right?

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Carl
It was awesome. It was fun. So, yeah, Yeah.

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Jason
You were always an ally when you were on the right side of the bar. Like when someone would come up, you would know what they're thinking and you really going, like, we just connected, right, and have.

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Carl
To talk? Yeah, it's awesome. I mean, that's that would be for another podcast some of the time. But yeah, there's no you're good. No, you're good. But yes, there is definitely like the sense of respect and like understanding between us and but also a friendship, which is this that works really well behind the bar because, you know, the because we're 60,000 people, but it's also the cocktail bar type world.

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Carl
It's very limited. Like there's not a lot of us that make like, appreciate the bartending job. There's a lot of bartenders in the job. There's, I think, some of us that just appreciate the job more than others, you know. But here they're this is called drinks is of course, where we drink and we discourse. And so what we're drinking today is I call it 5050.

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Carl
It is a bullet rye with old granddad, bourbon split base with a cinnamon cow, demerara sirup and a walnut infused bitters that I make. So this is one of the drinks I've been really liking for the past couple of months at this time of year. And now we're going to smoke it because why not? Right. So what do you first?

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Jason
All right.

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Carl
This is the part everyone likes.

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Jason
I've been looking at this drink for probably 10 minutes now. I haven't gotten to try at some very excited.

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Carl
Sale where I smoked this up for a little bit of juice as a little bit more warmth and depth to it. And unfortunately, you cannot get this drink at seven. This is where my specialty is.

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Jason
You got to meet Carl at the bar, buy him some cocktails, and he'll take you back to his place.

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Carl
Right. Which you still need to come over. I know you're a busy man, which we're going to get into. Why? You're a busy man here in a second. So. All right, that's good. All right. Here's what. Thanks again. Cheers.

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Jason
Thank you.

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Carl
All set of smoke alarms? yeah.

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Jason
my God. That's amazing. That is amazing.

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Carl
It's sweet. He's not too sweet. We know. For old fashioned. It's boozy, the smoky.

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Jason
So the bullet is never really spirit forward for me. It's always I always get, like, a really good earthy, like, woody scents from it. But that old granddad and sometimes the old granddad is like, too much for me. It's like, too taste, too hot, right? It's like, so perfect in there.

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Carl
See, I'm glad you know, old granddad, because I feel like old granddad. What? So old granddad is 100 proof bonded bourbon. And then you have the bought rye, which is going to come in probably about 90 to 90. So you split it, you're taking away some of the heat from the old granddad, but you give him the spice from back.

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Carl
Yeah. So I've been trying to mix more of my rice and bourbons with old fashions because I learned that at some bar in Minneapolis and I'm like, that's a great idea. Hint do not use the same company's rye and bourbon at the same time. Don't use both bourbon and rye because they're they mess too. Well, you need need polar options to make it work better.

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Carl
So tip for anyone out there.

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Jason
The contrast.

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Carl
You need the contrast right? You can't have complementary things, in my opinion, for this. So anyways, that's enough about this drink. Let's talk about what you do for this community. Rebuke.

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Jason
What do I do? What do you do.

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Carl
Besides serving drinks on Tuesdays that you used to do? So you've been a part of BLOCK Tober Fest since the iteration.

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Jason
Since the beginning. Yeah. First year.

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Carl
So how how did that all come about? What what made you and I know Keith was part of it.

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Jason
So I'm going to all right. So if anyone goes to the dungeon, the real person that started this that gets no credit for it is this kid. His name is Jay GROSS. Okay. Red hair. He like does he's like a handyman during the day. I think he manages the dungeon by night now.

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Carl
Okay.

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Jason
So you go into the dungeon, say what's up, and thank you to Jay. GROSS okay. Because he had this idea to put on this new festival, invite the bands that we all wanted to hear and have skateboarding and BMX, be a part of it. So we got this group of people together for this meeting, and he his idea was so big and he wanted to raise so much money.

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Jason
We all pretty much laughed him out of there, but he got the right people talking in their head. It planted a seed and a couple of the people that were in that room were Chris Puts, Keith Gutierrez, Casey Henderson, myself and Josh Nagle.

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Carl
Right.

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Jason
And of all of this, mainly the catalyst on that first year was Keith and Chris. Keith and Chris really took the lead on it, like I helped out where I could. And then Casey being the owner of Hollywood at the time, lended everything he could to the festival. Sure, we all had a different element that we brought to it, and that's what made that first year work.

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Jason
Like we all had our different skills and we didn't always agree. We all butted heads a lot. All right. Like there was a lot of type-A personalities that had different skills that thought their values were the most important. But that's what created such a dynamic festival, was we had a little something for everyone.

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Carl
That's awesome, because I think then on year two is when I started at Seven Hills and I was part of that and I could see all of that, right? But it's because everyone wants the best for it and everyone has ideas, and then you're still trying to learn how to work with all these people that you don't work with on a daily basis until like that.

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Carl
How did, how did what? How? Okay, so I guess let's even back Taylor. What is blockchain.

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Jason
Like? What is it? Yeah. So Black Tuber Fest is a community block party. Yeah, it is all organized by a group of volunteers. All the benefits benefit different nonprofits around the OC and all that from the financing, from the vendors. Everything is local businesses, local elements of this local community that come together to just throw a block party, right, and bring people together for a good cause.

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Jason
We all we all have fun. There's a huge element of kids and the thing there's a lot of festivals and there's I'm trying not to curse. I need to your bridge curse. So there's a lot of shit to do.

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Carl
Interview Right.

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Jason
And October Fest is unique because we have that element of the kids blended with that element of a more adult grown up skate BMX element with the contests that we have in there. And that's really what sets it apart. I mean, when I go to market it, I'm not marketing and other street festival like similar to all the stuff that happens around the town clock like there's an October fest which is fantastic, which is down at the Q Casino, which Musina does a great job with.

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Jason
That's super fun. Everyone should go and do the Stein Drinking contest. Well.

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Carl
I guess I always want to do that. I'm like, I want to do it.

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Jason
So it's incredibly hard. Right arm Pump is a real quick start.

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Carl
Just work it out. Now. You get training and training and.

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Jason
Yeah, so there's a lot of cool events, but basically we're throwing a BMX skate contest. Yeah, that's it. And all the other stuff is stuff to fill in the gaps between the entertaining aspects of the contest because that's really like the, the purpose behind me being more involved in like the potential of each of us in this community, in our own lives is unlimited, right?

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Jason
And so when we go down there, we have a couple of beers, we start to loosen up, we make friends, and we see someone on a bicycle or a skateboard doing something that looks impossible, like they're setting an example and they're leading by example. And so we can take back that back to our own lives and start to push the boundaries of what we think is possible.

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Carl
Right.

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Jason
And we have a little bit outside our comfort zone and start to move in the direction of a better life for all of us.

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Carl
Yeah, because I mean, we all watched in that we all but a lot of us watch X games. We know what the X Games are. You see this on national world level, but you don't see it locally, right? Like if you can see some guy, you know, you want a black back flip or doing this or doing that, I'm not going to name names or tricks.

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Carl
I don't.

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Jason
Think.

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Carl
I know there's a super fan out there, you know, and stuff like that. But skateboard I don't know anything about, but I think you're right. Like when people are like, man, this, this, this man, this woman, this kid can do this. I know we thought was possible. Like, I totally get that. Like, I never even thought about it, like, in that sense, but it makes total sense, right?

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Jason
Yeah. One of the biggest things that I really found from it to through talking to people in the feedback. So I'm a lifelong to be a girl. I was born and raised here. I'm like, Anyone that grows up in a small community, you have this struggle with it because you feel like life happens outside of where you were born, right?

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Jason
Like I can't wait to get older and go see this. Sure. Because we take everything around us for granted. And so what happens for me at that festival is you see these things that are really unique to the coasts and these bigger, more metropolitan areas happen right here in downtown. To be sure. You see things that you don't expect to find out to be done not only by people from out of town, but locals.

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Jason
Right. Are doing the things that you don't think happen. And that's that's what's really cool.

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Carl
Yeah, I think that's interesting, too, because then you also have like beer, yoga, you have bands, you have vendors. Like other people are doing awesome shit in this town that people might not ever be exposed to. Absolutely. And what makes it better is this event is completely free. I got to do is walk on, walk it down, and you get to check things out.

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Carl
You can watch people skate. You know, these kids, these you know, these adults doing their thing for free. You get to do everything for free. Obviously, buy food and buy beer. Yeah. You know.

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Jason
Yeah. It's only free because of the community, because of the sponsors and the support that we're able to get from the community, though, like that's I mean, yeah, that's on all our support, all our sponsors and supporters. Like the reason we're able to do it for free and do so much and have such a great event is because of all the support we get you, right.

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Carl
So then like, okay, so we just you just head back over a couple of weeks because I know like you mentioned, you know, there's a October fest and I know you guys have had meetings like you guys are on schedule now.

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Jason
We just play, we try to put a synergy between so like Dragon Boat Festival is always a struggle for us because we don't want to fall in the same days. But they always align, right? Like we've like this year we were working on putting a5k together. Like if you take the right route, it's exactly 3.1 miles, right from Camp 17 to the door of back pocket.

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Jason
So like we were trying to put together like a5k or color run, have it start down there because that's a morning event. We're like a late afternoon of sure the things in a line, but that's something that is on our agenda. Do a little bit of research because yeah see how it works out.

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Carl
But like just with October 1st, you guys have it on different weekends. Yeah, right. Because you don't want people to be divided about what do I want to go do today? Yeah, you know, I understand that's at least your spec about two events, like, hey, we're both going to do the same. Matt same thing but weren't put this week about.

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Jason
Yeah, we try to get a little friendly competition with them too. I went down and participated in all their events as a representative of October fest the next to the weekend after ours. We invited them up to compete against our committee. That puts it together in our tug of war, that's all. So we try to make sure like there's some friendly competition.

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Carl
That's being.

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Jason
Watched. Yeah, it strikes a chord. I mean, I love that kind of shit.

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Carl
Yeah, because again, it's fun. It's great to commune together, like, I've been there, you know, you can maybe learn things you don't learn. So through now, what was this year? Was this six or seven?

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Jason
No, this year was only four.

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Carl
A four. Yeah. Okay. I guess we kind of. Yeah. Skewed a lot.

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Jason
So we did year one was 2018. We did 2019, but 2019, it was rainy all day. Yeah. So again, that was a big disruptor. 2020 was off because of COVID. Yeah, we did 2021, which was our first year back and there was a lot of hesitancy like that. I think that was one of the first local events to start doing stuff the way we did pre-COVID.

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Jason
Okay. So there was a little bit of hesitancy, There was a lot of had hesitancy on the promoter side, just making sure are we doing the right thing. So we played it a little bit lower key, right, which honestly was really fun for the BMX aspect of it. For me, the the audience was a little bit smaller, but our rider turned out because no one had competed in a contest.

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Carl
They're all excited to get back out there to do something.

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Jason
The contest was. It was amazing. Yeah, it's super fun.

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Carl
Yeah. And I know I, I came down for a little bit before I had to go to work and it was it was all the areas were thumping. Guys have a kids section painting so kids can kind of like do their own kind of like this is called graffiti, right? Because we have pages of books and stuff. They do their own thing.

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Carl
And yeah, it was really well, yeah.

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Jason
So the book has tons of murals. Voices Productions is responsible for that. So we partner with them to come down and help us out with the Kids mural project. So it all ties into a bigger purpose that serves the community every facet of it. Like there's a way to scale everything we do. So when you come down there and every every single event that's down there is open to the public, right?

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Jason
So you could you could show up and compete in the skateboard BMX contests. You could do the tug of war, you could do the dunk tank, you can do it all. It's all open to the public. And then from everything, there's a way to scale it. So if you enjoy that aspect of it, you can integrate it into a part of your life, right?

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Carl
And so it's going to be exciting to see where this goes now because obviously COVID kind of screwed a lot of things up in the growth that I think was happening cause it was going really big. And like you said earlier, though, due to is year two was rain, it's kind of like a rain or shine. Like you can't reschedule this and it's like, we're move everyone next week and you just kind of have to go because it is in August, right.

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Carl
And September. September. Yeah. So it is kind of, you know, 70, 30 is going to be a nice weekend, but it's a great time. I hope everyone keeps coming to it because it's great and it's fun seeing it running through this year, watching everyone doing the skating. And there was a car there. So everyone's trying to break the windows with their with.

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Carl
They're like, yeah, you know, flips and or jumps or whatever like that. But it was a great time.

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Jason
So in years past I've always kind of been on the marketing. I've been the marketing chair. This year was a little bit different. Okay, so the skate park aspect has always been provided by Hollywood Action sports, which is an indoor skate park here in Dubuque. And Hollywood has gone through a little restructure and I'm a little bit bigger piece of that.

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Jason
So we were able to really, like develop some synergy between Hollywood and the festival. Right? And through that restructuring, there's a Hollywood is restructured to be less fiscally focused, to be more impact focused.

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Carl
Okay.

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Jason
And so through doing that, like changing from an LLC to a 523 and just like taking that focus off of art, how are we going to pay the bills from that and moving to like art, how do we improve the experience of the skaters that show up to our kids? Right? How do you make sure the kids that are coming on our Friday, Saturday nights are spending more time on their boards, their bikes or scooters than they are on their phones?

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Jason
Like, what do we do to make sure that our participants are doing the right thing right, having more fun? And so in in doing that and this has carried down to block tober for us as well like we found yeah, we don't worry about paying the bills anymore because it's really easy to do. And through the process we've began to lead by example because that's what we want our youth to think about.

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Jason
We want our youth not to focus on art. How am I going to pay the bills like that shouldn't be the first and foremost priority. It should be on that impact. And what are they going to.

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Carl
Do next, Right? Because I think the business side of it out of the equation, then you can have fun growing the the thing that you want. I mean I mean, I guess that's a really good segue way to say like, I don't think I wonder how many you actually know. There's an indoor ski park here in Dubuque, Iowa.

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Carl
Actually didn't even know that was a thing. Like we moved here six years ago. I think. I mean, I'm I'm not a skier anymore. I don't do anything like that. But like, just to know there's an indoor park where someone can go all year round or I didn't realize that until I started working here. And blockchain was the thing.

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Carl
I'm like, there's indoor ski park, you know. A And you have recently purchased I would or not, maybe recently, I mean that. So I'll.

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Jason
I'll use that as a segue into Hollywood. So Hollywood was started by Casey Henderson, our founder, in 2015. Yeah. You know, he he's a local kid, grew up in Dubuque here, lived in Colorado for a while, and moved back to The View, decided he was going to start a skate park, partnered with a local businessman. I honestly forget his name, but fortunately, the skate park did well.

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Jason
Casey bought him out, was the sole owner for it for seven years. And then just he has a young son, as we all know, who are parents. We got a kid that gets older, takes a little bit more of our time.

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Carl
Right.

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Jason
And my youngest daughter is 12. She's at the age where she doesn't want as much of my time anymore. So I have a little more free time. Sure. And so it just aligns. So there we just had a small transition of the skate park and Casey Skills took it to where it is now. And then I have a different skill set that probably couldn't have done what Casey did as well as she is done.

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Jason
But I get to, you know, try to take what I've done and take it to the next level. Right.

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Carl
You need Casey to lay the foundation at skate park, which seemed like he did a great job. you do a great job. And then now you know, that foundation is late because it seems like it could be wrong. You couldn't do what you do if you start a brand new you needed the foundation that he.

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Jason
Provides that I never would have done it in the first place, right? Yeah. I like I yeah, and honestly, like a huge shout out to, like, our local community, like that whole like I'm going to take like 2 minutes here and just like, give a little bit of a history about like that D.I.Y., like skate BMX scene here because prior to Allie, what like the big catalyst for Hollywood was Casey coming back and coming to.

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Jason
So we used to have this big warehouse show called Voices an art show. Okay. In so I think it was 2013 might have been 2014, but their theme of it was Streets and Jean Tully. Tim McNamara really wanted it to like, seem like we wanted this really hardcore street art demonstration, and that was like no one had ever seen.

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Jason
So they got a hold of us, a couple of us BMX years and skaters and are having a car in the October fest set up this year. Right? Was like an homage to the show, right? They had brought cars into the warehouse space and had crushed them in the space or like, Yo, like, do you guys want to come ride bikes and grinds and stuff and builds and stuff here?

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Jason
So we got to put on like a BMX skate exhibition on not opening night, but the next night, the second night of jerseys, which was super cool. And Casey happened to be back that weekend and knowing that like he was a skater, he had been instrumental in like building previous ramps, Like Mark Paisley had a backyard ramp that he always came and skated and I had ramps in my garage.

00:20:14:20 - 00:20:21:21
Jason
Jay GROSS Did the Seven Layers Apply documentary about a mini ramp that they had built in the woods, which is if you've never seen that documentary, check it out.

00:20:21:21 - 00:20:25:23
Carl
It's pretty prettiest. And I'll put in the description of.

00:20:26:02 - 00:20:28:02
Jason
This shout out to Jay GROSS.

00:20:28:02 - 00:20:28:09
Carl
That.

00:20:28:14 - 00:20:49:07
Jason
It was in the film festival. Yeah. Great documentary. Nice. Yeah. So Casey was home for that voice's opening weekend, and we invited him to come skate with us. And he just saw the support behind the skate BMX scene and interview. And I don't think moving back to New York was quite on his radar, but he saw that and saw the way it debuts had changed since he was a kid and was like, All right, let's let's do this.

00:20:49:07 - 00:21:08:02
Jason
And that was a big catalyst for Hollywood. We also at the time, too, we also had rented a warehouse from Tim McNamara that we had built like a private skate park in like eight of us threw in for rent the in for utilities to run for long to get it built. So, yeah, that was like that. That was a huge thing for us too, because without that, I don't think it would have seemed possible.

00:21:08:02 - 00:21:25:17
Jason
It was just eight of us that had a key, and then on Thursdays we'd open it up to anyone in the public that wanted to come ride, so we would grab some beers. This is before Seven Hills, unfortunately, but we'd go and we buy six packs in countless break times, take them up to the warehouse. It was right up on Ninth Street and yeah, we go ride and yeah, Thursday night was a night to be down there.

00:21:25:17 - 00:21:34:21
Carl
It's awesome. Like back in the day, like when I was in high school and stuff, a bunch of us were into the aggressive inline skating.

00:21:34:21 - 00:21:35:16
Jason
Yeah, yeah. Dudes.

00:21:35:18 - 00:21:56:11
Carl
And so we would make our own ramps and pipes and, you know, we take our shoulder recorders and. Yeah, but, you know, you get to see like a CD player in the background. That was our music playing and all this other stuff. And, and then we're like, Well, why does Muscatine have its own skate park? And so I remember like we dropped draft up this proposal.

00:21:56:16 - 00:22:22:02
Carl
We went, I don't I forget it was another group of kids but like, we're kind of like all had the same purpose and they denied it, right? Because, you know, they don't want to spend city taxpayer money on this thing because they thought we were just a bunch of punk ass kids. And so but then I think after I graduated 99, I think within the next five years, they actually built a skate park, you know, a cement, you know, rideable skate park, because then Davenport then did too.

00:22:22:02 - 00:22:28:03
Carl
And so it's like it's cool to like, know like I was a part of something that turned into something later.

00:22:28:06 - 00:22:31:18
Jason
Muscatine Park is still there, and it's good that at least once a year it's fun.

00:22:31:18 - 00:22:32:15
Carl
Yeah, exactly.

00:22:32:15 - 00:22:33:18
Jason
The unique layout.

00:22:33:20 - 00:22:38:18
Carl
So yeah, I mean, like, I don't know how much are influenced by it's like, well, we had to had something into it.

00:22:38:18 - 00:23:04:16
Jason
100%. So it's funny. So the, the first skate park we had in a Buick we call OG McCauley's Island, I cannot remember his name, but it was 1998, 99. He was a senior at Waller High School, and Waller would do like an outcome based educational where you had when you were a senior, you had to have like a purpose behind how you were going to take school.

00:23:04:16 - 00:23:24:05
Jason
Skills and change changed something in your community, and it never had to be tangible and it just had to be an idea. And you present it to your advisors and then you pass or fail, right? And so but his idea was to have a skate park, so and I wish I could remember his name, but yeah, he was an inline do to and he is the reason we have that skate park.

00:23:24:05 - 00:23:40:07
Jason
That was awesome. Which is awesome. Which is super cool. And that was that skate park was what introduced a lot of us because we grew up like on the BMX side, we grew up under jumps. It's really easy to grab a shovel, go to a vacant lot, right? Start building, jump. So like the eight of us that had that warehouse, every one of us started out with a shovel.

00:23:40:09 - 00:23:57:18
Jason
Most of us started out at the chicken trails. If you're from The View, you know, chicken trails. All right. Yeah, chicken trails. Were that where it was? At Adams Hills. And it has a throwback about the chicken trails. Jake Jake Paul is smoked out JFK several times. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

00:23:57:20 - 00:24:05:21
Carl
Is it always amazes me like I get why people don't like, you know, skateboarders, BMX surfers and.

00:24:05:23 - 00:24:07:09
Jason
Yeah there's tons of things in.

00:24:07:14 - 00:24:14:07
Carl
Inline skiing is kind of like die down. There are still some people that are still burning around doing their thing, but basically skateboarding like.

00:24:14:09 - 00:24:16:14
Jason
The new guys don't like what you call them for a motorcycle.

00:24:16:16 - 00:24:31:09
Carl
That the hard way. Yeah, you know, but sorry, Aaron. No, I was really never the guy that did it. My brother and other people that I was more the guy who filmed and kind of like I just like, like hang it out by person or watching, like, video skate videos back in now, like, these are these are fucking great.

00:24:31:09 - 00:24:52:07
Carl
These are amazing. And I get why some people are against it, right? Yeah. But it's also like, you know, we're doing some of the most harmless things to this community and you want, you bitch about kids who are at least not like doing high in criminal acts and like be negative towards can we we're just doing something that we're all hanging out.

00:24:52:12 - 00:25:16:02
Carl
You can see us all in public, you know, like we're not robbing stores or not, you know, whatever, pillaging things. We're just putting a little wax on some fucking concrete and skate, you know? And I think I guess you've been around. It is hard to understand, but it's also like we're bringing kids together. Don't know what else to do with their lives, you know, like is a creative outlet that that everyone's a football player now.

00:25:16:05 - 00:25:23:13
Carl
Everyone's a baseball player now. Everyone's a golfer or a tennis player. Like this is another sport that is very hard to learn.

00:25:23:15 - 00:25:28:07
Jason
Yeah, I think it gets compared to the stick and ball sports. Yeah. And I don't.

00:25:28:09 - 00:25:30:03
Carl
Which I don't have any issues with so, you.

00:25:30:05 - 00:25:49:03
Jason
Know. Yeah. So like, I think a lot of people think there's this opposition, right. One versus the other and they are the most beautiful compliment. Like you take a kid that a excels at skateboarding BMX and who participates in the stick and ball sport. They're going to be a leader on their team because they know how to be a self-starter, right?

00:25:49:05 - 00:26:11:07
Jason
They know they've cultivated the perseverance to work through the challenges. These are things that stick and ball sports teaches. However, you're there on a team, you have your team to support you, which is a whole other skill that you don't learn at the skate park. Every kid needs to be involved in something that puts the emphasis on them as an individual to develop that personal responsibility, the ability to be a self-starter, the perseverance.

00:26:11:09 - 00:26:16:22
Jason
And then every kid needs to be like part of a team, right? I mean, track and field. Yeah, that's not as much a team swimming.

00:26:17:01 - 00:26:18:06
Carl
Yeah, but for the most.

00:26:18:06 - 00:26:22:08
Jason
Part, football, soccer, especially football, baseball, basketball and traditional.

00:26:22:12 - 00:26:25:09
Carl
The big Midwest sports are team sports.

00:26:25:09 - 00:26:31:10
Jason
I mean, those are those are all skills that translate to life beyond school, right?

00:26:31:11 - 00:26:55:06
Carl
Yeah. And like you said, like, this is an individual thing where you are competing against yourself. Yeah. Learning something like, like, I think it I think it is always like when you wreck, you wreck that hurts it it you're not like, just like I swung and miss. No, you land on your shoulder wrong, your leg wrong. Now I got to get back up and do it again.

00:26:55:09 - 00:27:16:02
Carl
You're learning perseverance and like how to get through negative moments in your life. Like, you know, that can be tangible at other things in your life. Like, you know, you're going to be 25 years old, maybe have a wrecked body, you know, to a degree. But when you go be a normal business person or normal day to day, right?

00:27:16:02 - 00:27:23:12
Carl
Understand, like, all right, I'm going to need to work harder at this and there's going to be rewards to my work ethic is what I'm trying to get out. I guess.

00:27:23:14 - 00:27:42:13
Jason
You know, I'm 40. I don't have a wrecked body. I've been riding be an extra 37 years. I've taken plenty of falls, had plenty of injuries, like if you take care of your body. Well, sure, I take care of my body so I can continue. Right. And be right. Absolutely. I think that whole element and this is a big reason why I'm still in like BMX the way I am and why I'm such an advocate for it.

00:27:42:15 - 00:28:04:12
Jason
Like, so there's there's two ways Hollywood in particular advocates for action sports. One is the youth level. We do the youth programs, we do our skate league, which is like similar to like track and field. So like you're, you know, we do once a week practices, we have monthly contests, there's instructors there. Then when you see skates, which is the same thing, that's our girls leagues and they compete, they can be a different league.

00:28:04:14 - 00:28:21:06
Jason
Yeah, we do BMX sundaes, which the same thing. Not on a skateboard, but on a BMX bike. It's like these are youth programs to get kids going in the ultra beginners, even younger kids. We do a kids session on Saturdays, which has some supervision, helping kids out whether a scooter, BMX bike, skateboard every Saturday morning, 10 a.m. to noon.

00:28:21:08 - 00:28:38:09
Jason
So we have these things like get kids off the couch, get in and put their cell phone, smartphone, video game controller down, whatever it is, get engaged in something that gets their body moving, that gets their creative juices flowing right. And get them to build community like face to face, have conversations. That's what we find at the skate park.

00:28:38:14 - 00:28:46:11
Jason
When you're sitting on the deck with someone, even if you're not trying the same trick, you're talking about how hard it is and you're giving each other advice. You're building like that camaraderie.

00:28:46:13 - 00:29:04:22
Carl
You know, it's also building self-confidence, right? Because like, when you're young, like, you know, when you're middle school, high school self-confidence is really hard to come by 100%. You know, if you are trying to drop in, like I remember trying to drop in like on a quarter pipe for the first time, like this is some scary shit and you got people back you up like, you know what?

00:29:05:00 - 00:29:16:20
Carl
You do it. If you fail, you go back and do it again and and they're teach you because, you know, it's it's not like we're competing against each other. No. Like you are just trying to have fun and you want everyone else to have one, right?

00:29:17:01 - 00:29:33:20
Jason
You learn like that. Confidence comes from trust in yourself, right? Like you recognize how to calculate risks, right? You know that. All right, This is too much for me. Or Hey, I'm ready. I know this is scary, but I'm going to push beyond the fear and try it anyway. And however it goes, I'm committing to it. So you learn to trust your own judgment, trust yourself.

00:29:33:20 - 00:29:53:12
Jason
And those are skills that like moving beyond, like being used and be moving into the workplace then of like the college high school, like age, like trust in yourself is a huge piece of that. Yeah. So I mean, move it like we do the youth programs. And then beyond that, like there's this element of like being the weekend warrior as something that I think like Generation X is great at.

00:29:53:18 - 00:30:16:03
Jason
The Millennials aren't as great as that. I'm a millennial. I'm not sure I want to hear, but yeah, like, so we do skate club on Friday night. So instead of going over the bar when you get off work at five, grab a six pack, come to the skate park, split it with your buddies, right. You know, just have a casual session, whether you're on a BMX bike, a skateboard, like whatever, have fun, have a good time.

00:30:16:09 - 00:30:35:00
Jason
Like, don't go to the bar and don't do something physical. Like, come and have fun. Because when when we enter into when you when you go to the skate park, like you're putting yourself at risk. And when you enter into that with someone, you develop this crazy tight bond because you both show up knowing the consequences of what you're trying.

00:30:35:02 - 00:30:49:05
Jason
And if it doesn't go well, I mean, you both know what's at stake, so you end up super vulnerable with the people you're sharing that experience with, right? So you build these really tight bonds with the people you skate with around us. And it's been such a gift in my life. Like the friends circle I.

00:30:49:05 - 00:30:50:02
Carl
Have.

00:30:50:04 - 00:30:58:09
Jason
To, like, make my life really fulfilling just the people I share it with, the people I love because of skating and BMX. And it's been awesome.

00:30:58:13 - 00:31:20:10
Carl
It's awesome. Like, so when did this kind of talk about like the win in the why? Like, like, obviously you said like his alignment now your alignment and what has it been like since you purchased Hollywood? Like, you know, like the growth of it, you know, and like, where is it what you want it to be? So far, or is it growing how you want it to be?

00:31:20:10 - 00:31:20:22
Carl
I guess.

00:31:20:22 - 00:31:41:05
Jason
So. On the skate park side of it is is fantastic. It's exactly what I expected. Like it's an indoor skate park. When it's summer, no one's going to come there. We actually have had a great like we've had great attendance this last summer, which was really surprising. And then moving into the winter, like, of course it's great. Like last weekend it was nuts.

00:31:41:05 - 00:31:58:04
Jason
It was it was like hard to hard to control the amount of people coming to go, Right. Which isn't a bad problem. Yeah. So it's it's been good. Like a lot of friendships formed. It's been great. We see a ton of people coming in from out of town, so it's fun. Like coming from the background I have and like I'm a, I'm a marketing consultant during the day.

00:31:58:04 - 00:32:16:10
Jason
I have clients around here, so getting to like, recommend like what people do that come from out of town. Yeah, they come with their family. Hey, try this spot for lunch. Go check out the river museum like it's warm. Go to the mines They like. Go for a hike there. Check it out. Like pieces like that. It's fun to, like, use it as a catalyst for people to explore Duke outside the skate park, which I never expected.

00:32:16:11 - 00:32:19:09
Jason
That's expected thing, and that was super cool.

00:32:19:09 - 00:32:21:11
Carl
Yeah, I don't think I would ever thought like that would be.

00:32:21:11 - 00:32:44:04
Jason
I didn't realize how many people like it became a destination for some timber, which is Tri-State Mountain Bike Riders, which is huge. Like I didn't expect so many people from Timber to seek out an indoor spots around the winter and come like on our on our Sunday funday which is like our bike day like come and just like work on their skills building stuff that will translate to like better times on the track during the season which happens in the spring.

00:32:44:04 - 00:33:04:06
Jason
So like there's a lot of different elements that utilize the skate park that I totally didn't expect. That's been a big surprise. The biggest surprise though. So there's a shop when you come in and it was a little bit under utilized and I've never had a retail business before. Yeah. So doing the retail thing was wild, right?

00:33:04:08 - 00:33:05:17
Carl
Yeah, retail is always crazy.

00:33:05:17 - 00:33:23:12
Jason
Man, but I got like Cam and Dalton are the two people I probably lean on the most at the retail location. They're Hollywood employees. They are awesome. They teach lessons, they kick ass. So Dalton worked out Black Friday shift with me, and I was like, Who the fuck is going to come to the skate park to buy shit?

00:33:23:17 - 00:33:39:19
Jason
Or at 9 a.m. in the morning we had people waiting for us to open because we changed like our Facebook hours and like, But the Black Friday shoppers were different than our normal clientele. We have to answer a lot of questions that had us looking across the shop at each other. Sure. Yeah. Making comments. But yeah, dude, it was it was fun.

00:33:39:19 - 00:34:01:18
Jason
It was good educating people. Yeah. And the retail aspect has been crazy. Like every single time I place an order for, like, whether it's bikes, scooter stuff, especially skate stuff, like it's just flying off the shelves. It's I under order because I like I go in order. I'm like, there's no way we're going to sell this, right? And I come in a couple of days later and all the shit's gone.

00:34:01:20 - 00:34:12:08
Jason
And so like knowing how easy it is to like, default to Amazon or default like ordering things online, I didn't expect to sell stuff like you included with that, like shoes or something that like I don't.

00:34:12:11 - 00:34:14:01
Carl
I mean, I haven't.

00:34:14:03 - 00:34:32:11
Jason
Like one reality check closed. Like I quit buying shoes locally because you couldn't you can't get there's nowhere that offers the shoes and all that ma'am. And so like we're feeling that void of Dollywood right now, but we don't market that piece of it. Yeah. Like we're working on like skate park attendance, like we'll do the retail stuff and focus on that like Q2 of 2024.

00:34:32:13 - 00:34:50:03
Jason
But like right now, like we're not marketing it and I didn't expect so many people to like still seek out a local shoe source. And I think that's really cool that the you like the book has this really close tie and this value they put on local businesses that not a lot of communities of that size do.

00:34:50:04 - 00:35:09:07
Carl
It's very, very cool. Well, I get that too, because if you're providing this experience, the same experience as my experience, people are will like, you know what? I'm going to maybe pay 15 or $20 more locally, but if I have questions, I can ask them right now right then, and they're going to be help help me. Besides just go to Amazon and buy.

00:35:09:12 - 00:35:30:02
Jason
And we match prices, though we're not. So we're a nonprofit. We're not there to make money off the retail stuff. We just want to make sure the attendees have the stuff to do what they want to do, the proper way and the safe way, right? That's honestly like we sell stuff to make it convenient for the city to be right and all the kids to skate and ride is awesome because it sucks to order something and wait four or five days.

00:35:30:06 - 00:35:50:09
Jason
Or if you don't want to order stuff like have to travel to out out of town to go buy a complete bike or you want to try something so that we fill the void. Like our markup on stuff is so like nil. Like we just started carrying stamps socks and I hope Ben Hall is our rep and he lives in Chicago like guarantees, not listening, but he's super pissed at us because we just like we're that we they mark up 100%.

00:35:50:09 - 00:35:54:11
Jason
We mark everything up 20% from all the stance like socks, underwear we keep.

00:35:54:13 - 00:35:56:08
Carl
Undercutting whatever else.

00:35:56:10 - 00:36:01:08
Jason
Trying to make money. We just want to make sure someone has the right tools to be as comfortable a safe and as.

00:36:01:08 - 00:36:19:23
Carl
Possible and this and that. And that's exactly I think that's a big thing in this industry, right? Like, I can't talk about prices of skateboards and bikes. I mean, I know what a fucking bike costs and how to check that out to like to be able to do a, you know, aggressive BMX, you know, But.

00:36:20:01 - 00:36:27:21
Jason
If you add aggressive in front, like you come right back to BMX. no, I doubt that.

00:36:27:23 - 00:36:38:12
Carl
But like that's the point of entry because like I spend this much money to be able to do this. But I mean, I would assume skateboarding's a little less than the I mean, yeah.

00:36:38:17 - 00:36:54:18
Jason
So like we do, we do a package like if you're a beginner, you come get a complete board, a helmet and a month of membership. So unlimited use of the park and it's usually 150 bucks like until Christmas is only 100 bucks. I don't know when this is coming. Really. Yeah. So we're, we're like we just want people to get into it.

00:36:55:00 - 00:37:01:11
Jason
But like, all that being said, like, so we have shop bikes, shop scooters, shop skateboards, helmets.

00:37:01:15 - 00:37:02:15
Carl
So someone to come and try.

00:37:02:15 - 00:37:20:23
Jason
It out. Anyone can come and try it out. And we actually like any parent that brings a kid or even if you're a beginner, we encourage you like you'll sign your kid up for lessons or do four lessons with us before you make any kind of financial investment is awesome because we want every kid that comes in to experience at least one hard fall and to experience a couple of like wins for them, right?

00:37:21:00 - 00:37:36:07
Jason
So we want like we're not huge on goal setting, but we're big on growth mindset, right? So we want to we don't want to attach to an exact outcome, but we want to move in a general direction. So kid comes in like kids on scooters come in, I want to do a backflip and they can barely stand up on a scooter.

00:37:36:12 - 00:37:47:11
Jason
So we just got to kind of refocus. All right, so what are the steps to a backflip? So then we walk to we got to bang on to the scooter. We need a push, we need to drop in, we need know how to jump. We need to know how to manual. We need to know how the all these pieces to get there.

00:37:47:13 - 00:38:03:15
Jason
And then we'll step back and like kind of build a plan for that kid to achieve not their exact goal, but move in the right direction. Right? So in order to get there, you're going to fall, right? It's going to hurt. And the small and they're not they're going to fall hundreds of times before they do a backflip.

00:38:03:17 - 00:38:29:08
Jason
So if your goal is a backflip and that first fall hurts really bad and, you know, a backflip is probably a year down the road like you're going to quit. So we want to be really realistic. We don't want parents to spend money that they don't want to spend on something that kid's going to quit because it does take a unique type or a unique blend of perseverance, toughness and desire to fit in at the skate park and to excel at the skate park.

00:38:29:14 - 00:38:38:21
Jason
So yeah, we want every kid to have a good fall and we want every kid to have a couple of victories so they know it's like the juice is worth the squeeze coming in.

00:38:38:21 - 00:38:57:16
Carl
That's right. Because like, I mean, if you have a kid, they want to try this thing this year. The next thing this year, like you're spending thousands of dollars every year is crazy. So they can figure out what they want or don't want to do. I think that's a good alternative is like, look, you can borrow our gear and see if this is something you want to do.

00:38:57:17 - 00:39:12:20
Carl
Yeah, you know, and, and and then day you're right. Like you're going to fall more that you're going to succeed. And it takes someone that's someone special. But it takes learning to understand that and live my life in general, you know, that's life.

00:39:12:20 - 00:39:31:23
Jason
So like you fail in life more than you succeed, right? And you like when you find your way. Like I hope that everyone that finds their way in life finds is moving in the direction they want to do. They want to move it in, and they're motivated by not achieving the goal. But they're feeling they get on the journey, right?

00:39:32:03 - 00:39:49:00
Jason
And so that's what we're trying to in. Exactly. And it shouldn't be about like, I'm not at my goal yet. I'm going to work until my fingers are bloody. Like, you should enjoy the journey and you should enjoy the feeling that comes from the small steps, right? That's what makes like the pain and the failures bearable and not even bearable.

00:39:49:04 - 00:40:01:02
Jason
Like you enjoy them because every time you fail, you learn, right? And that's like the growth mindset aspect of what we do at Hollywood is like like we don't we don't speak in terms like, I can't do that. It's like, I can't do that. Yeah.

00:40:01:04 - 00:40:23:02
Carl
When are you going to do it? Exactly. So, okay, so then I think it's good. Is Segway kind of not Segway but like additional studio is this is kind of more like a one on one kind of adventure, right. Because it's like you doing this thing. You're not you don't have teammates helping you do the spin, but in theory, you have other people doing the same thing, cheering you on.

00:40:23:02 - 00:40:38:07
Carl
Because if you know, if you want to try skateboarding or BMX or scooter, but you're afraid what people think about you like, well, how how is that sort of like getting other people to respect you and like, you know, just encourage you.

00:40:38:10 - 00:40:54:05
Jason
So it's one of the hardest. So like there's two elements at play. So one is like the optics, like, what do people think of me? What if I fail? So that's like, like once you once you understand the elements of the play, like there's no judgment at the skate park, right? Like, it doesn't matter who's there. Like, it doesn't matter what's going on.

00:40:54:05 - 00:41:09:19
Jason
Like, it's, it's the most like, accepting place you like I've ever been to in my life. Because. Because, because the, the demographic enjoys it is so small and it's so, like, niche. Like we're just like to have more people to skate.

00:41:09:19 - 00:41:10:17
Carl
Right? Right. More the.

00:41:10:17 - 00:41:37:04
Jason
Merrier. Yeah. So like, one is like that element of it. And two, so, so many kids that we get. And so our programs are relatively new. Like everything is within past year, but it's really hard to get kids to break away from that idea that if I didn't win, I failed. Right? Because when we go into like especially our youth programs like kids want to be the best, and that's not the goal of skateboarding.

00:41:37:04 - 00:42:05:05
Jason
That's not the right max. It's like it should be better than you were last time. Like, it's about that progression, right? And then if you take away, like using other people as a gauge and focus on that progression, like it's limitless, it's endless and you don't get discouraged. You're only goal is to beat last time. So when we have the youth programs like we get kids that like get really discouraged because they see someone that's been doing it for 510, even like you have, you have to like our BMX lessons on Sundays.

00:42:05:05 - 00:42:23:11
Jason
Our perfect example, we have this kid, Jackson, who's awesome. He's been riding for a while. He comes from a family that rides and he like he's he's gifted, He rides bike really, really well. We have other kids that are just beginning. They compare themselves to Jackson and they're both 11 and they can't do it. Jackson can do so they feel like they're failing.

00:42:23:12 - 00:42:49:12
Jason
Sure. And it's a great catalyst for the conversation about about like not setting that goal as being like, best, like, let's be better than we were last time, right? And let's keep growing and starting to build that habit of progression versus that habit that's oriented to like that specific goal of being the best. Because outside the state park and once these kids, like most of these kids, are going to outgrow BMX, like I'm 40, I ride BMX, I'm in the very minority there.

00:42:49:15 - 00:43:08:17
Jason
Realistically, all like over 35. I think there's five or six of us that still ride my ride. And there were there were dozens, 100 of us, and we were younger that would come ride the track and so but like once these kids outgrow BMX, the skills that they harnessed on their BMX bike, the skills that they harness on their skateboard, like carry through.

00:43:08:18 - 00:43:31:00
Jason
So that's where we focus on that perseverance, that progression and being better than you were before. Like, it's almost like teaching. We teach kids how to learn versus teaching them how to achieve their goal because that goals, that goal post is always going to change. So when we teach them how to learn and how to achieve a goal, then we shift what they're doing to like.

00:43:31:02 - 00:43:35:20
Jason
I mean, it becomes limitless. They can achieve whatever they want. They just supply the recipe for themselves that they built up, right?

00:43:35:20 - 00:44:06:14
Carl
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think having blast sports, right? Like, not everyone's going to be an NFL player or MLB player, but in college, high school, you're trying to teach people be just better understanding, like working with other people that or overcoming you never thought you're going to have to and in this world there and I get it right there is there is a scary part if I am going to you physically injure myself, break something dislocated, something do this, do that like and then if you do it for five years, something's going to happen here.

00:44:06:15 - 00:44:10:17
Jason
Yeah. Which most people do, regardless of whether they skate or ride BMX or not.

00:44:10:18 - 00:44:11:00
Carl
Exactly.

00:44:11:04 - 00:44:21:13
Jason
Everyone breaks bones, right? I mean, I would I would rather I would rather hurt myself at the skate park versus crossing the rail, which happens all the time.

00:44:21:13 - 00:44:22:15
Carl
Right.

00:44:22:17 - 00:44:38:12
Jason
I remember being young and listen to a podcast and it was I wasn't a podcast. It was like talk radio, you know, just before podcast. But there was I don't remember the specific, but I just remember an interviewer asking Dave Mirra.

00:44:38:14 - 00:44:40:08
Carl
I mean, that guy was a legend.

00:44:40:08 - 00:44:45:11
Jason
Dude. He was a legend. RB Yeah. RB Everyone wear your helmets, protect your brain.

00:44:45:16 - 00:44:47:02
Carl
Yeah.

00:44:47:04 - 00:45:07:00
Jason
So asking him like, So what is it? Do you have a death wish? Like, why are you doing these risky things? And his response was, No, I don't have a I have a desire to live like the things I feel on my bike when I find the limits are me living fully like like as human beings on this planet, we are designed to feel this tapestry of emotions right?

00:45:07:01 - 00:45:27:10
Jason
That all of us, no matter what we're into, like we can't comprehend unless we, like, go beyond our comfort zone and dig in and try to do it. So, I mean, that's that's what we offer. That's what I'm trying to do on my bike when I go around. Yeah, that's what that's what we try to do. And we have a cocktail of the things that like don't that we don't automatically feel we get out of bed in the morning.

00:45:27:12 - 00:45:42:22
Jason
And the more we start to expand our palate for those emotions and feel that adrenaline rush or feel that little bit of buzz from alcohol, when we get up the next day, the more we're going to feel more of it and the more you know, it's going to push us in the direction of expanding our perspective, expanding the life.

00:45:42:22 - 00:45:56:01
Carl
It's a great euphoric feeling, like just feel like, yeah, it took me 33 tries to get this one checked out, but when you get that down, you don't fucking remember the 32 other tries. It's just like I fucking it.

00:45:56:01 - 00:46:04:10
Jason
Yeah, it's the crazy. It's a muscle memory is the most amazing thing because I've tried tricks hundreds of times in a row and not done them once. But you do it one time. No.

00:46:04:13 - 00:46:06:14
Carl
And suddenly all goes away.

00:46:06:16 - 00:46:24:05
Jason
Like what? Suddenly you do it most of the time after that. And whether it's, whether it's the confidence, whether it's that whole, like epigenetic. Sure. Like you believe you can do it so it happens like, which is a mind fuck for me. Right on that shit. All right. Like all day long, like, I love it. Jodi's glands ever slept in, like, my jam?

00:46:24:05 - 00:46:35:02
Jason
Like, I love that. Kind of like. Like the power of the mind stuff. But, yeah, like you. You achieve it, and then you can do it. So whether it's the muscle memory, whether it's the belief in yourself, but it's just it's fascinating. It is insane.

00:46:35:02 - 00:46:55:18
Carl
It is. It is insane. Like I said, I was I did aggressive. I wasn't more into it as my friends, but I'm like, I did that. And then it just it's it's the building blocks of confidence, right? Because like, if you can learn that, I think I think a lot of kids, younger kids struggle with confidence, right?

00:46:55:20 - 00:47:11:06
Carl
Because we're all kids. We've all been there, teenagers, you know, you make fun of people or you don't feel you're as good as other people. But if you can build these little confidence blocks will help you longer in life, even though you might ask more. Because, you know, maybe we took a couple of too many falls you should have, right?

00:47:11:07 - 00:47:18:11
Carl
Like, I can barely walk. Not really, but know I'm saying like the confidence level, like you have that ability. You can do anything you want.

00:47:18:11 - 00:47:26:08
Jason
So like when you were a kid, when you used to, when you used to rollerblade and you went from you had a home skate park, you skated all the time.

00:47:26:13 - 00:47:28:11
Carl
No, no, no. We built our own, right?

00:47:28:12 - 00:47:44:13
Jason
Yeah. You guys do your own ramps and you get, like, tricks dialed in your own ramp and then suddenly, like, you take a trip with friends or with a friend's parents or whatever, and you go and you get to skate somewhere else, and suddenly you have like this whole, like, block of tools, these tricks, right? You get to try them somewhere else with new people.

00:47:44:13 - 00:48:05:13
Jason
And it's like it's like being an artist and you have your medium that you've mastered, but you have a whole new canvas, right? It's dude, it's the most thing and it's the greatest creative outlet because you've cultivated the skills and you've kind of broken through like the danger and the fear because you have that confidence you built. Like, like the muscle memory that you need to achieve these things.

00:48:05:13 - 00:48:22:04
Jason
But you, you have this place to like, try these tricks. So when we watch the X Games from home, right, like every trick that's been done, it's no one's first time, No, like everyone has these tricks dialed, right? And like, even BMX skateboarding is all in the Olympics now. Like, they have these tricks dialed in, like, just like us.

00:48:22:04 - 00:48:31:15
Jason
Right in our name on a piece of paper, you know. And so but they just get to apply it to that course, and they have to be as creative as possible to do it in the style that they want.

00:48:31:16 - 00:48:36:13
Carl
Yeah. Also like when Tony day a Tony Hawk did the was it 900.

00:48:36:13 - 00:48:37:13
Jason
Yeah. First 900 like.

00:48:37:19 - 00:48:51:12
Carl
Like in theory the competition was over. yeah. But everyone was so excited that he was willing to keep doing it on live TV. Like, like who gives a fuck? Let's just keep watching this person do do this one thing.

00:48:51:12 - 00:48:55:17
Jason
Though, were over a quintessential moment and that really defined extreme.

00:48:55:17 - 00:48:56:03
Carl
Sports.

00:48:56:04 - 00:49:14:18
Jason
Absolutely. It's not about the it's not so much about the 900, but it's the fact that the rules and like, All right, we're cutting the commercial. All right, this show's over. It wasn't because of what he was trying. And like, that's what it's like. Like when you try to, like, everything drifts away, like BMX for me has been a stress release, like skateboarding for so many people.

00:49:14:20 - 00:49:35:14
Jason
Stress relief because the focused it required the focus that it requires. Like you like everything drifts away, right? It's a form of super consciousness or meditation. Absolutely. Or you want to however you want to describe it, like you're not worried about the deadlines at work. You're not worried about like what's going on at home. Right. Like it all drifts away because you have to focus 100% of your time.

00:49:35:19 - 00:49:39:08
Carl
You can't do 30, 50 or keep your math right.

00:49:39:08 - 00:49:58:15
Jason
But yeah, you're fine. But yeah, it didn't matter. Like what commercial who paid for the ads and the next commercial. Like at that point during that TV broadcast, like it stayed on air because Tony Hawk was trying something that had never been done before. And it became this defining moment for so many people. It made Tony Hawk a household name like it.

00:49:58:17 - 00:50:12:01
Jason
It was very cool because it rarely is like mainstream media. Do they give skateboarding BMX not the respect that it deserves, but give it the respect that it deserves in the way that it treats itself.

00:50:12:01 - 00:50:25:02
Carl
Yeah, absolutely. So let's okay, so if there's a parent out there that's like hesitating about their kid doing this because, you know, I mean, this isn't just a male thing. It is a female thing, right? There are some.

00:50:25:02 - 00:50:32:10
Jason
Yeah, we we sell when we're selling complete skateboards right now, bikes, we sell 50, 50 boys, girls for every boy that buys a bike.

00:50:32:16 - 00:50:35:07
Carl
We said, Well, that's awesome. That's great.

00:50:35:09 - 00:50:50:23
Jason
So our complete boards, for every three girls that buy a skateboard, sell one to a boy. Why she's gay. So like Tuesday nights we do. She skates all the girls in the skate park. Only girls on are like 1.0 skate park on Tuesday nights. And we do from 530 to 7.

00:50:51:01 - 00:51:03:15
Carl
When parents are interested and maybe sign their kids up or their kids are really pushing to sign up. But their parents are hesitant. What do you do to help parents like you understand the situation?

00:51:03:20 - 00:51:25:09
Jason
Yeah. So as parents, like, we all value the safety and health of our kids. And I mean, this this will be a segway into a bigger conversation perhaps. But yeah, we value the safety and health of our kids. And so, like, it's really easy to over protect our kids and not expose them to risks and things that could hurt them.

00:51:25:11 - 00:51:43:22
Jason
But eventually that kid's going to want to spread their wings and outgrow the umbrella that we've kept them under. And a great way, in my opinion and in my experience with my kids, is to teach them how to calculate risk at skate park, like from the age of like. So my youngest daughter Vila, started riding a BMX bike when she was one.

00:51:43:22 - 00:52:07:01
Jason
She had her first race when she was two. Like she was very aware of the consequences of like taking uncalculated risks. Right? And so as she grows older, like, I mean, I feel I feel very confident in her, like, so she's 12. She will have a permit in two years. I have no worries about her driving like she's going to have her work in school permit at 14 and we have a car that will give her.

00:52:07:01 - 00:52:27:10
Jason
That's a shitty old car, right? But like and like the way like at at the skate park, she knows to be observant of other riders, other drivers, you know, all the things you worry about as a parent for your kid. Like she's cultivated those skills at the skate park. So, I mean, that's that's one of the ways that I really feel like it it can benefit a kid.

00:52:27:14 - 00:52:43:19
Jason
And that's one of the ways that the instructors and myself communicate from Hollywood to the other parents. Like, yeah, like you have concerns and we have those same concerns about their kid. Your kid, when they're here. And we're not just teaching them to be safe at the skate park, we teach you. We're teaching them to be skate safe at the skate park and beyond.

00:52:43:23 - 00:52:48:08
Jason
We're cultivating those skills and building those habits that will be lifelong.

00:52:48:10 - 00:53:09:04
Carl
I guess it won't be too much different. Like, let's say you got your kid in a football at like third grade playing flag football. So you learn basic sets and then when you got to tackle, it's a little bit safer. But then it's like, Well, my kids don't play football until 10th grade. Well, it's a lot different because their skill sets are different because they have been around it.

00:53:09:04 - 00:53:28:09
Jason
Yeah, it's it's similar like it's similar to your analogy about flag football. You know, young kids learning, playing football are more prepared for tackle football as they get older. It's similar, but like at the park, you're never too young like I so I agree. I'm 39 years old. I have friends that I went to high school with that skated when we were teenagers.

00:53:28:10 - 00:53:50:16
Jason
I quit and just started again. And they're seeing the health benefits one, the health benefits to the mental like the mental health aspect of it, because you learn to find your the edge of your comfort zone and you learn how to go just beyond it, right? You learn, you keep pushing limit. You don't. Yeah, but you don't like recklessly push the limit, right?

00:53:50:19 - 00:53:59:09
Jason
Like you. What you want to do is find the edge and walk it right. And that's where skateboarding BMX is the most fun. And honestly, in my opinion, that's her life's the most fun, right?

00:53:59:09 - 00:53:59:18
Carl
Absolutely.

00:53:59:21 - 00:54:09:13
Jason
When we play by the rules, it's great, it's comfortable, it's wonderful. But to make a great beer, to make a great cocktail like you didn't win all those cocktail championships by playing by the rules.

00:54:09:13 - 00:54:12:02
Carl
I don't know. You fucking rules are exactly.

00:54:12:04 - 00:54:22:15
Jason
You found that edge, right? Walked it. So like to learn how to do that at a young age and then apply it to everything you do is a recipe for a great life.

00:54:22:15 - 00:54:45:14
Carl
And I definitely like obviously, like you said earlier, like as parents, you're concerned, right? You don't want your kid to, like, get hurt, be hurt and like experienced pain. But you have to do the same thing. But it's also like I mean, these are they want to come and learn how to ski for BMX earlier age, come to a place like Hollywood where you have professionals like, look, we're going to do the most.

00:54:45:14 - 00:54:54:17
Carl
You can't keep that as a minimal as possible. Yeah. But also understand like it's going to fucking happen. Like they're going to try some trick that they're like, I think I can do this.

00:54:54:17 - 00:55:10:14
Jason
Yeah. So if a kid wants to skate, they're going to skate, whether to skate park or not. If you're at the skate park, you're there with other kids that have been hurt. How to handle a lot of the staff Is CPR certified? We're working toward having all the staff first aid and there's all CPR certified. So which we will have within the next couple of months.

00:55:10:15 - 00:55:30:02
Jason
Okay. They were working on it. OSHA would actually sport certification for all our instructors and all our teachers. So that's something that's in the very near future. So, I mean, you'll be in good hands to handle taking those risks. And if things go the way that they shouldn't, you'll be in the right hands to have the best possible experience you can.

00:55:30:02 - 00:55:50:09
Jason
Right. Because the hard thing about an injury, whether it's at the skate park or the football field or crossing the fucking street, is the trauma it can lead to. And I don't mean the physical trauma, but the mental trauma, right? Like so many times you So I will make my grandma. I love my grandma. My grandma passed away a couple of years ago.

00:55:50:09 - 00:56:04:17
Jason
Like, she was amazing, the most kind hearted person in the world. And she broke her toe once, walking barefoot through the garage and she would get so pissed at me when I'd walk barefoot anywhere but inside the house because it was dangerous. And it's not dangerous or healthy. You're grounded.

00:56:04:17 - 00:56:07:09
Carl
But having heard one time. Exactly right.

00:56:07:10 - 00:56:26:17
Jason
So like, she had some like there was some emotional trauma from that and she cast that upon everyone around her. So we often do that with those injuries. If you're injured at the skate at Hollywood, like you're around peers that know how to handle injury from an emotional standpoint and from a physical like safety standpoint, like injuries hurt We do.

00:56:26:21 - 00:56:45:08
Jason
The worst part about an injury is the pain we all get through that it's knowing that, you know, I mean, you break a limb, you're four for four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks off your body, got your skateboard like that's the hard part, right? Like you'll get through this pain a week, max. And then beyond that.

00:56:45:14 - 00:57:04:21
Carl
Yes. The hardest part is the mental challenge of like the recovery aspect of things like, do I want to do this again? Because I know if I do this and fuck up one more time and be out six more months or whatever, and and I again, I think it goes back to like the mental preparation of just life itself.

00:57:04:21 - 00:57:11:04
Carl
Like, well, if I put myself out there, I get denied. Yeah. What will happen the next time for myself, you know.

00:57:11:05 - 00:57:33:17
Jason
But within that is like learning to calculate the risks. All right, so like knowing. All right, so if I'm going to try if I'm going to try, like, out bigger trick where the consequences of injury are higher and the injury could be severe and I don't want to encounter that, then I'm not going to try that. Then you can scale it back down and you learn how to calculate that and apply to your comfort level.

00:57:33:17 - 00:57:45:11
Jason
Right? You're still finding that like that boundary and pushing that edge, but you're doing it in a way that you are comfortable with. Right? And I think that's a huge lesson that we have at the skate park and that applies beyond the skate parks.

00:57:45:13 - 00:57:51:16
Carl
And simply I think that's a side that people don't see. All they see is a bunch of degenerate.

00:57:51:16 - 00:57:53:02
Jason
Looks really reckless around.

00:57:53:06 - 00:58:17:09
Carl
Doing this, doing that, you know, and stuff like that. But also, like you said earlier in this podcast, it's like they could be doing worse things. All they're doing is being a group of people, skating around, biking around, like even outside because like, like said, indoor ski part is more for training and maybe winter months. But like during summer you're going to go out, enjoy the fucking the weather.

00:58:17:14 - 00:58:25:12
Carl
Yeah, but whatever you got to do where you want to, it's like and it's always like, stereotypical, like, there's just punks. No, we're not punks. We're just having fun.

00:58:25:14 - 00:58:52:18
Jason
Yeah. I mean, I think that that stigma of, like, fortunately, is dying. Yeah, I get really angry. But what's replacing the stigma is a very real danger and risk of a very sedimentary lifestyle. That is, that smartphones, that video games, that TV and the like, binge watching of Netflix, Hulu, Disney parks, they all all that garbage. Like, it's very easy.

00:58:52:20 - 00:59:13:03
Jason
I hate my wire again. It's very easy to fall under the trap of that And so like yeah like there's that stigma and that negativity like around skateboarding and things. And that was the concern for a while. There. I think like the bigger concern is like, what's the cost of, all right, I want my son to be safe.

00:59:13:03 - 00:59:17:20
Jason
So here's an Xbox, here's Fortnite, right, for.

00:59:17:22 - 00:59:19:22
Carl
Seeing these, like, safe things.

00:59:19:23 - 00:59:32:05
Jason
Exactly Like it's so easy to pacify our kids with a cell phone, right? Yeah. That becomes their default for the rush of oxytocin. Right? They should get they're just doing like.

00:59:32:09 - 00:59:51:12
Carl
Dogs that are doing a kick flip or whatever I get. I don't know, skateboarding term, but I'm just trying to, like, pretend like I do. But yeah, I 100% agree. It's like, it's like this is our experience guys, because once you're our age, you look back like, Man, I could have done all this shit. I could. I'm going to try it easier.

00:59:51:12 - 01:00:11:10
Jason
I'm going to be the first to challenge you on that. Like we're similar ages. Yeah, dude, you're never too old. I I'm, I will be 40 in March, and I there's a lot of things on my bicycle I do better now than I have ever done in my life. Like, there's things. There's things I could do on my bike tomorrow that I could've done last year.

01:00:11:10 - 01:00:34:21
Jason
And I definitely turned on five years ago. And I wish I thought about ten years ago. I guess I'm just going to continue. I feel like like that whole, like aspect of like, looking back and this is this is really like, personally my passion when it comes to like the BMX skate thing is like it's such and, and this applies it just sick of all sports, everything Like it's such a everything is so accessible to us now today.

01:00:34:23 - 01:00:53:00
Jason
Like we can do anything we want, like we have like the ways to like, like biohacker our physicality, right? Like we know what to eat and how to exercise, how to move our bodies to maintain this like longevity. So let's do it. Unless, like, let's find the limits of our bodies.

01:00:53:00 - 01:00:59:01
Carl
Yeah, No, I get I guess all I get right. I really want to break my arm right now, you know, like.

01:00:59:03 - 01:01:04:06
Jason
Right. I feel that moment coming closer and closer. I had quite hit it.

01:01:04:06 - 01:01:21:01
Carl
Yeah, yeah. Like I, I boy, I hockey was my thing. I love playing hockey, and that is the thing I want to do. And now I have backed down my job. There is supposedly like a nighttime hockey league, like, how do I want to go do that again? But it's also like.

01:01:21:03 - 01:01:22:04
Jason
Hockey is not.

01:01:22:04 - 01:01:46:05
Carl
Really Do I really want to see you? Like, Yeah, I'm I'm a crinkly kind of guy, you know? And I totally agree. We're never too old to learn something new because we can still go skateboard. We can still go do like a medium half pipe. We don't need to go fucking do 720 We can still go do like grind around a little bit or maybe go do a little alley flip or whatever, whatever it is, right?

01:01:46:05 - 01:02:04:23
Carl
Yeah. We can still go do that because it's fun and expose ourselves to these bigger passive injuries. But someone will have fun learning something this year because like I said, right when we did the roller blading things, all that stuff out, that was the best shape of my life I've ever been. Yes, I know. When you're 17, you're the best of your life.

01:02:04:23 - 01:02:18:09
Carl
But I was still doing things I knew was beneficial to my body at that point. If I do those today, it will benefit me more than ever. Just scaled back the the risk, I guess. You know.

01:02:18:11 - 01:02:34:07
Jason
As we get older, we learn how to calculate risks. We learn is just worth it. All right? And when we're younger, like that, glory of achieving that goal sometimes overwhelms a lot of the huge risks.

01:02:34:09 - 01:02:51:21
Carl
Right? Right. Yeah. Your mindset is, I just want to learn this fucking trick. I don't care what it takes. Now you're for you. Like if I can't do it one time, do I want whatever it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, that's, that's what life is because. Because, you know, we just don't recover as fast. 100%.

01:02:51:21 - 01:02:56:01
Carl
One of my favorite movies is Hot Tub Time Machine, so I.

01:02:56:01 - 01:02:56:16
Jason
Actually have.

01:02:56:16 - 01:02:58:01
Carl
It's. No, my God, I know.

01:02:58:01 - 01:03:00:18
Jason
It's on like my list of bad flicks at that. I'll never.

01:03:00:18 - 01:03:21:10
Carl
Hear. It's so good. And so, yeah. So they go back as they're like, you know, four year old souls back to when they were like, you know, 18 or like, my God, They realize and they realize we're all bodies, energy and like, all these like all these endorphins that you do, yeah, you lose it. But when you go back 20 years to it, they like.

01:03:21:11 - 01:03:21:23
Jason
You feel it.

01:03:21:23 - 01:03:42:10
Carl
Instantaneously. It's like you conquer the world, you know? And I would love to know what my 20 year old self was like back, back, you know, like, But hey, man, I appreciate you being on here. I think if you want to learn more about Hollywood, reach out. How about this? You plug whatever you want to like. Tell people how you went.

01:03:42:11 - 01:04:04:12
Jason
Yeah. So, yeah. So Hollywood action, sports, we have lessons. We have programs for kids, adults You can come as a spectator, come hang out, visit us at Hollywood Action Sports, XCOM. Hit up our phone number. You can call it, you can text it or swing by the park any time. It's a312, five Cedar Crest Ridge Road.

01:04:04:14 - 01:04:08:20
Carl
You're right across from a golf university or like back side you golf, you.

01:04:08:20 - 01:04:12:20
Jason
Go, tiger, take a right or left or right there. You will miss us.

01:04:12:20 - 01:04:32:06
Carl
Yeah. I think it might be like for a parent to go There was a kid like, just like, see, I think this is one of those things. These like when parents, like they see other kids doing this, like, that kid can do it like him. I could do, you know, like, I think sometimes it's more like a yeah, a visual confirmation.

01:04:32:08 - 01:04:55:15
Jason
So we do so Sundays we call it Sunday Fun Day is a very bike oriented day. You get a discount if you show up on a bike. We do bicycle lessons 10 a.m. to 1 p.m.. We teach. Kids are out on two wheels. We teach adults how to jump. And it's like if you're a mountain biker, you want to learn how to jump, navigate your mountain bike trails better, like we'll teach you how to do it properly, safely.

01:04:55:17 - 01:05:17:06
Jason
Yeah. So that's Sunday Fun day. So Sunday Funday is interesting because there's a lot of parents. I want to get their kids into BMX because they ride mountain bikes and they want to ride mountain bikes with their kids. So we teach them the fundamentals to make that happen. However, a lot of parents are overly confident when they don't have a bike with them and they're like, little Timmy, you can do that.

01:05:17:06 - 01:05:35:05
Jason
So if you come as a parent, we ask that you bring your bike to share because we really want parents and this parents to do things with their kids and not for their kids. Absolutely. And I think that's really, really key. So this is something you can share with your kids. Like even if you're a beginner, you get on a bike.

01:05:35:05 - 01:05:55:20
Jason
In years I've been on a skateboard in years. Come learn it with your kid like so you guys are going to bond deeper over the consequences at hand. You're going to bond over the victories that you're both going to experience, like you're going to. You are going to have a deeper bond as a parent with your kid. Like whether you're a mother, whether you're a mother, whether you're a father, whether you're a daughter, or whether you're a parent, whatever.

01:05:55:20 - 01:05:58:18
Jason
Exactly. Like we do it all and we see it all this great part.

01:05:58:19 - 01:06:09:09
Carl
That's a great thing, guys. Like like, look, I haven't done this for 20 years, but I think I know what I'm doing. But you know what? Let's go do this together and, like, see if I still got it. Amy But we're going to do it together.

01:06:09:09 - 01:06:35:19
Jason
Yeah, we are. We have a kid, a family that comes up every Sunday from Davenport because there isn't, like, programs down there. But there's a kid, Thatcher Thatcher's 12 years old. His dad started bringing him two months ago, and like after two weeks, he went out and bought a bike. And so this last Sunday. So he's his dad has been up to, I think, five of our sun fun days on a bike as a rider, and he participates in lessons.

01:06:35:19 - 01:06:56:12
Jason
We go through the fundamental as teach him the building blocks. It can be safe out there and he can have fun. And the sun, we're kind of hanging out after the lessons are over a trial session. And he's like, I think this might be the most fun I've ever had. And that's my kid. And it's not like what they're doing is they're both like designing their limits together.

01:06:56:14 - 01:06:57:20
Jason
I mean, they're doing.

01:06:57:20 - 01:06:59:14
Carl
It together. Bam!

01:06:59:16 - 01:07:02:04
Jason
I mean, the sun is drastically better.

01:07:02:06 - 01:07:06:03
Carl
Right? Absolutely right. Because they're sponges. Kids are sponges.

01:07:06:04 - 01:07:16:11
Jason
It's like Thatcher would go and like 183, 60 something. And just for his dad, he has wheels. All right. Dad is ready to go celebrate after we. Yeah.

01:07:16:13 - 01:07:17:23
Carl
Right. That's awesome.

01:07:18:04 - 01:07:19:10
Jason
Does it do.

01:07:19:12 - 01:07:20:23
Carl
You think.

01:07:21:01 - 01:07:23:22
Jason
It's like that's that's indicative of.

01:07:24:00 - 01:07:34:22
Carl
Yeah. Yeah. This that's awesome. I mean, like her. Yeah. I mean, I just remember those victories when I was younger, like, I can do this one thing now.

01:07:35:00 - 01:07:37:14
Jason
You can't again. it's back.

01:07:37:18 - 01:07:53:20
Carl
It's back. But yeah, All right. I think it's great. I think people should come check you guys out. And you know, obviously that I think work if you want to have a question or they have a concern, how can they reach you for something?

01:07:53:23 - 01:08:11:13
Jason
Yeah. Yeah. Five, six, three, five, four, 36334. Email. Sally, I just want to go to Hollywood Actress awards dot com is a website that is up in there plus the most private parties for any of our programs.

01:08:11:15 - 01:08:32:17
Carl
Yeah just ask questions just like learn because I've been today like look, if you're not comfortable, just learn more about it. Maybe come see a sun, find it, just look and observe because this is what's going to hurt nothing. And you might understand where everyone's coming from. And you know, I'm a sports guy. I love football. I football is great.

01:08:32:17 - 01:08:52:08
Carl
But this is something completely different than that. And it's just different when everyone else is. But I appreciate you having or having you coming on today. I appreciate you and cheers and go check out Hollywood's and have a great day. So that was really serious.

01:08:52:10 - 01:08:53:03
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And that was.